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mathieu wrote:PS: I know that Jackie in the gunks feels much harder than 5.5
Fred wrote:Biohazard used to be 5.10a
I think as others climb routes they sometimes get regraded. Perhaps the route had little feedback when the guidebook you bought was printed.
People are often scared to put hard grades on their routes.
The Mitt wrote:Grades are supposed to be by onsight
Shawn B wrote:Matthieu, my guess for the route you speak of is it has been altered by rockfall and broken holds over the years. That wonderfully solid Rockies choss that should be climbed only in the winter when it is frozen in place. Although it is nice that if you don't like a particular hold, throw it away and use another. But going from a 4 to a 9? That's quite a stretch.
The Mitt wrote:I think bickering over a climb being a 5.14b or 5.14c is really pretty silly and mostly ego driven anyway.
Fred wrote:Now I'm really hesitant to go to the Rockies. I hear more and more people everyday describe it as climbing a vertical gravel pile.
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