Samuel Stiles wrote:These are all just extreme circumstances, and considering a poorly bolted route (AKA a sudden spike in difficulty just before the 2nd bolt).
I think you just answered your own question....
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Samuel Stiles wrote:These are all just extreme circumstances, and considering a poorly bolted route (AKA a sudden spike in difficulty just before the 2nd bolt).
theriault wrote:Samuel Stiles wrote:These are all just extreme circumstances, and considering a poorly bolted route (AKA a sudden spike in difficulty just before the 2nd bolt).
I think you just answered your own question....
theriault wrote:Its to keep an element of adventure, a spice factor. Climbers used to be for hard men with big balls, if you didn't have a good head back then, then you simply didn't climb. Protection has come a long way since then making the sport way more safe,. Guide books are now showing us exactly where the routes starts, a description of it, protection, anchors and sometimes even some key beta.... where is the element of adventure in that?? So its just a simple way to keep some excitement in the sport!
Shawn B wrote:theriault wrote:Its to keep an element of adventure, a spice factor. Climbers used to be for hard men with big balls, if you didn't have a good head back then, then you simply didn't climb. Protection has come a long way since then making the sport way more safe,. Guide books are now showing us exactly where the routes starts, a description of it, protection, anchors and sometimes even some key beta.... where is the element of adventure in that?? So its just a simple way to keep some excitement in the sport!
Are ya serious??? Did I read wrong then that you were selling your hexes and tricams? Shouldn't you be selling your cams instead??![]()
Some people who sandbag climb at such a level that they seriously have difficulty in telling the difference between grades at a moderate level. Some people are strong at certain types of climbing too and find routes that suit their style to be easier than other people who are strong at a different style. Others who sandbag on purpose (stating it as a joke, prank or to "school" someone) are just trying to inflate their own ego (my 5.8 is everyone else's 5.10) or trying to make up for some other feeling of inadequacy. For fack sake...grade as accurately, objectively and honestly as you can. Climbing is dangerous enough without "teaching someone else a lesson in your greatness". Climbing is not safe. It has been made safER by the advances in gear, guidebooks, online resources, etc. But it is still not SAFE. Not even sport climbing. You're only kidding yourself if you think it is.
Shawn B wrote:grade as accurately, objectively and honestly as you can. Climbing is dangerous enough without "teaching someone else a lesson in your greatness".
Shawn B wrote:And oh...btw...waterfall layback was originally graded 5.8...not 5.9.
Leehammer wrote:Hey Marty, if I was going to assign a grade to how hard it is to follow your logic, I would say it's about a 6 (but it's actually a 9)
breau wrote:Isn't sandbagging a little like drawing a map wrong? Mostly, it's funny for people who didn't really need a map in the first place.
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